Pavel Durov: Telegram, Freedom, Censorship, Money, Power & Human Nature
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Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc See below for , transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.
Transcript: lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript
CONTACT LEX: Feedback – give feedback to Lex: lexfridman.com/survey AMA – submit questions, videos or call-in: lexfridman.com/ama Hiring – join our team: lexfridman.com/hiring Other – other ways to get in touch: lexfridman.com/contact
EPISODE LINKS: Pavel’s Telegram: t.me/durov Pavel’s X: @durov Telegram: telegram.org Telegram Contests: contest.com
SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Miro: Online collaborative whiteboard platform. Go to miro.com UPLIFT Desk: Standing desks and office ergonomics. Go to upliftdesk.com/lex Fin: AI agent for customer service. Go to fin.ai/lex LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to drinkLMNT.com/lex Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to shopify.com/lex
OUTLINE:
- (00:00) – Introduction
- (02:46) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
- (11:29) – Philosophy of freedom
- (14:37) – No alcohol
- (22:42) – No phone
- (28:38) – Discipline
- (49:50) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
- (1:05:12) – Arrest in France
- (1:21:23) – Romanian elections
- (1:32:18) – Power and corruption
- (1:41:50) – Intense education
- (1:53:51) – Nikolai Durov
- (1:58:19) – Programming and video games
- (2:02:33) – VK origins & engineering
- (2:19:46) – Hiring a great team
- (2:29:02) – Telegram engineering & design
- (2:48:04) – Encryption
- (2:53:01) – Open source
- (2:57:48) – Edward Snowden
- (3:00:20) – Intelligence agencies
- (3:01:32) – Iran and Russia government pressure
- (3:04:41) – Apple
- (3:11:38) – Poisoning
- (3:43:53) – Money
- (3:52:45) – TON
- (4:02:35) – Bitcoin
- (4:05:34) – Two chairs dilemma
- (4:12:14) – Children
- (4:23:24) – Father
- (4:27:55) – Quantum immortality
- (4:34:27) – Kafka
PODCAST LINKS: – Podcast Website: lexfridman.com/podcast – Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2lwqZIr – Spotify: spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 – RSS: lexfridman.com/feed/podcast – Podcast Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZg... – Clips Channel: youtube.com/lexclips
Raw Description
<p>Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.<br /> Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc</a><br /> See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.</p> <p><b>Transcript:</b><br /> <a href="https://lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript</a></p> <p><b>CONTACT LEX:</b><br /> <b>Feedback</b> – give feedback to Lex: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey</a><br /> <b>AMA</b> – submit questions, videos or call-in: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama</a><br /> <b>Hiring</b> – join our team: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring</a><br /> <b>Other</b> – other ways to get in touch: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact</a></p> <p><b>EPISODE LINKS:</b><br /> Pavel’s Telegram: <a href="https://t.me/durov">https://t.me/durov</a><br /> Pavel’s X: <a href="https://x.com/durov">https://x.com/durov</a><br /> Telegram: <a href="https://telegram.org/">https://telegram.org/</a><br /> Telegram Contests: <a href="https://contest.com/">https://contest.com/</a></p> <p><b>SPONSORS:</b><br /> To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts:<br /> <b>Miro:</b> Online collaborative whiteboard platform.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/miro-ep482-sc">https://miro.com/</a><br /> <b>UPLIFT Desk:</b> Standing desks and office ergonomics.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/uplift_desk-ep482-sc">https://upliftdesk.com/lex</a><br /> <b>Fin:</b> AI agent for customer service.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/fin-ep482-sc">https://fin.ai/lex</a><br /> <b>LMNT:</b> Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep482-sc">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex</a><br /> <b>Shopify:</b> Sell stuff online.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep482-sc">https://shopify.com/lex</a></p> <p><b>OUTLINE:</b><br /> (00:00) – Introduction<br /> (02:46) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections<br /> (11:29) – Philosophy of freedom<br /> (14:37) – No alcohol<br /> (22:42) – No phone<br /> (28:38) – Discipline<br /> (49:50) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics<br /> (1:05:12) – Arrest in France<br /> (1:21:23) – Romanian elections<br /> (1:32:18) – Power and corruption<br /> (1:41:50) – Intense education<br /> (1:53:51) – Nikolai Durov<br /> (1:58:19) – Programming and video games<br /> (2:02:33) – VK origins & engineering<br /> (2:19:46) – Hiring a great team<br /> (2:29:02) – Telegram engineering & design<br /> (2:48:04) – Encryption<br /> (2:53:01) – Open source<br /> (2:57:48) – Edward Snowden<br /> (3:00:20) – Intelligence agencies<br /> (3:01:32) – Iran and Russia government pressure<br /> (3:04:41) – Apple<br /> (3:11:38) – Poisoning<br /> (3:43:53) – Money<br /> (3:52:45) – TON<br /> (4:02:35) – Bitcoin<br /> (4:05:34) – Two chairs dilemma<br /> (4:12:14) – Children<br /> (4:23:24) – Father<br /> (4:27:55) – Quantum immortality<br /> (4:34:27) – Kafka</p> <p><b>PODCAST LINKS:</b><br /> – Podcast Website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a><br /> – Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a><br /> – Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a><br /> – RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a><br /> – Podcast Playlist: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4</a><br /> – Clips Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/lexclips">https://www.youtube.com/lexclips</a></p>
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Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc See below for , transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.
Transcript: lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript
CONTACT LEX: Feedback – give feedback to Lex: lexfridman.com/survey AMA – submit questions, videos or call-in: lexfridman.com/ama Hiring – join our team: lexfridman.com/hiring Other – other ways to get in touch: lexfridman.com/contact
EPISODE LINKS: Pavel’s Telegram: t.me/durov Pavel’s X: @durov Telegram: telegram.org Telegram Contests: contest.com
SPONSORS: To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: Miro: Online collaborative whiteboard platform. Go to miro.com UPLIFT Desk: Standing desks and office ergonomics. Go to upliftdesk.com/lex Fin: AI agent for customer service. Go to fin.ai/lex LMNT: Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to drinkLMNT.com/lex Shopify: Sell stuff online. Go to shopify.com/lex
OUTLINE:
- (00:00) – Introduction
- (02:46) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
- (11:29) – Philosophy of freedom
- (14:37) – No alcohol
- (22:42) – No phone
- (28:38) – Discipline
- (49:50) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics
- (1:05:12) – Arrest in France
- (1:21:23) – Romanian elections
- (1:32:18) – Power and corruption
- (1:41:50) – Intense education
- (1:53:51) – Nikolai Durov
- (1:58:19) – Programming and video games
- (2:02:33) – VK origins & engineering
- (2:19:46) – Hiring a great team
- (2:29:02) – Telegram engineering & design
- (2:48:04) – Encryption
- (2:53:01) – Open source
- (2:57:48) – Edward Snowden
- (3:00:20) – Intelligence agencies
- (3:01:32) – Iran and Russia government pressure
- (3:04:41) – Apple
- (3:11:38) – Poisoning
- (3:43:53) – Money
- (3:52:45) – TON
- (4:02:35) – Bitcoin
- (4:05:34) – Two chairs dilemma
- (4:12:14) – Children
- (4:23:24) – Father
- (4:27:55) – Quantum immortality
- (4:34:27) – Kafka
PODCAST LINKS: – Podcast Website: lexfridman.com/podcast – Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2lwqZIr – Spotify: spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 – RSS: lexfridman.com/feed/podcast – Podcast Playlist: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZg... – Clips Channel: youtube.com/lexclips
Raw Description
<p>Pavel Durov is the founder and CEO of Telegram.<br /> Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep482-sc</a><br /> See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.</p> <p><b>Transcript:</b><br /> <a href="https://lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/pavel-durov-transcript</a></p> <p><b>CONTACT LEX:</b><br /> <b>Feedback</b> – give feedback to Lex: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey</a><br /> <b>AMA</b> – submit questions, videos or call-in: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama</a><br /> <b>Hiring</b> – join our team: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring</a><br /> <b>Other</b> – other ways to get in touch: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact</a></p> <p><b>EPISODE LINKS:</b><br /> Pavel’s Telegram: <a href="https://t.me/durov">https://t.me/durov</a><br /> Pavel’s X: <a href="https://x.com/durov">https://x.com/durov</a><br /> Telegram: <a href="https://telegram.org/">https://telegram.org/</a><br /> Telegram Contests: <a href="https://contest.com/">https://contest.com/</a></p> <p><b>SPONSORS:</b><br /> To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts:<br /> <b>Miro:</b> Online collaborative whiteboard platform.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/miro-ep482-sc">https://miro.com/</a><br /> <b>UPLIFT Desk:</b> Standing desks and office ergonomics.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/uplift_desk-ep482-sc">https://upliftdesk.com/lex</a><br /> <b>Fin:</b> AI agent for customer service.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/fin-ep482-sc">https://fin.ai/lex</a><br /> <b>LMNT:</b> Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep482-sc">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex</a><br /> <b>Shopify:</b> Sell stuff online.<br /> Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep482-sc">https://shopify.com/lex</a></p> <p><b>OUTLINE:</b><br /> (00:00) – Introduction<br /> (02:46) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections<br /> (11:29) – Philosophy of freedom<br /> (14:37) – No alcohol<br /> (22:42) – No phone<br /> (28:38) – Discipline<br /> (49:50) – Telegram: Lean philosophy, privacy, and geopolitics<br /> (1:05:12) – Arrest in France<br /> (1:21:23) – Romanian elections<br /> (1:32:18) – Power and corruption<br /> (1:41:50) – Intense education<br /> (1:53:51) – Nikolai Durov<br /> (1:58:19) – Programming and video games<br /> (2:02:33) – VK origins & engineering<br /> (2:19:46) – Hiring a great team<br /> (2:29:02) – Telegram engineering & design<br /> (2:48:04) – Encryption<br /> (2:53:01) – Open source<br /> (2:57:48) – Edward Snowden<br /> (3:00:20) – Intelligence agencies<br /> (3:01:32) – Iran and Russia government pressure<br /> (3:04:41) – Apple<br /> (3:11:38) – Poisoning<br /> (3:43:53) – Money<br /> (3:52:45) – TON<br /> (4:02:35) – Bitcoin<br /> (4:05:34) – Two chairs dilemma<br /> (4:12:14) – Children<br /> (4:23:24) – Father<br /> (4:27:55) – Quantum immortality<br /> (4:34:27) – Kafka</p> <p><b>PODCAST LINKS:</b><br /> – Podcast Website: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast">https://lexfridman.com/podcast</a><br /> – Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://apple.co/2lwqZIr">https://apple.co/2lwqZIr</a><br /> – Spotify: <a href="https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8">https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8</a><br /> – RSS: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/">https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/</a><br /> – Podcast Playlist: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrAXtmErZgOdP_8GztsuKi9nrraNbKKp4</a><br /> – Clips Channel: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/lexclips">https://www.youtube.com/lexclips</a></p>
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