AMA: Peter Thiel, Chris Rufo and the D.S.A.

<p>The show’s executive producer, Claire Gordon, joins me in the studio to ask me your questions. Topics include: whether my views on “woke” issues have changed; the feedback we got on our episode with Chris Rufo; the D.S.A. insurgency; my first singing lesson; and the story that I’m in a “secret society” with Peter Thiel. Thank you to everyone who sent in questions; we read them all and wish we’d been able to get to more of them!</p>
<p>Mentioned:</p>
<p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/30/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-chris-rufo.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>What Has Chris Rufo Wrought?</strong></a><strong>” The Ezra Klein Show</strong></p>
<p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/30/17505406/trump-obama-race-politics-immigration" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>White threat in a browning America</strong></a><strong>” by Ezra Klein</strong></p>
<p><a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Why-Were-Polarized/Ezra-Klein/9781476700366" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>Why We’re Polarized</strong></a><strong> by Ezra Klein</strong></p>
<p><strong>“</strong><a href="https://www.vox.com/2014/10/13/6966847/yes-means-yes-is-a-terrible-bill-and-i-completely-support-it" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><strong>“Yes Means Yes” is a terrible law, and I completely support it</strong></a><strong>” by Ezra Klein</strong></p>
<p>Music Recommendations:</p>
<p><strong>Four Tet “Wingdings”</strong></p>
<p><strong>“Mas Amable” by DJ Python</strong></p>
<p><strong>“Reckoning” by Jon Hopkins and Imogen Heap</strong></p>
<p>Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.</p>
<p>You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-klein-podcast" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <strong>nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast</strong></a>, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <strong>https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs</strong></a>.</p>
<p>This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Claire Gordon, Kristin Lin and Emma Kehlbeck. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Julie Beer. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Johnny Simon. Our recording engineer is Johnny Simon. Cinematography by Kyle Kelley. Video editing by Dani Dillon and Steph Khoury. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Annie Galvin, Jack McCordick Rollin Hu and Emma Kehlbeck. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Shows is Annie-Rose Strasser.</p>
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