Katherine Morgan Schafler on Control, Perfectionism, and Letting Go
Passion Struck with John R. Miles
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Have you ever felt that your pursuit of excellence leaves you more stressed than satisfied? What if perfectionism isn't a flaw to be fixed but a strength to be harnessed?
In episode 572, John sits down with Katherine Morgan Schafler, psychotherapist, speaker, and author of The Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power. Katherine's groundbreaking approach challenges everything we think we know about perfectionism, showing us that it isn't something we need to eliminate—but rather, something we can transform into a tool for personal and professional growth.
They explore the five types of perfectionists—Classic, Intense, Parisian, Messy, and Procrastinator—and how understanding your type can unlock self-awareness, resilience, and healthier relationships. Katherine reveals how perfectionism intersects with belonging, self-worth, and the universal need to matter, as well as why it can be both a motivator and a barrier in our pursuit of fulfillment.
Key Takeaways
- The Three Dimensions of a Good Life
- How Novelty and Exploration Lead to Fulfillment
- The Global Village Paradox and Social Media's Impact
- Happiness vs. Meaning vs. Psychological Richness
- Why Regret Comes from Inaction
- The Role of Negative Emotions in a Rich Life
- How to Cultivate Psychological Richness
Connect with Katherine Morgan Schafler
Full Show Notes
Raw Description
<p>Have you ever felt that your pursuit of excellence leaves you more stressed than satisfied? What if perfectionism isn’t a flaw to be fixed but a strength to be harnessed?</p><p>In episode 572, John sits down with <strong>Katherine Morgan Schafler</strong>, psychotherapist, speaker, and author of <i>The Perfectionist’s Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power.</i> Katherine’s groundbreaking approach challenges everything we think we know about perfectionism, showing us that it isn’t something we need to eliminate—but rather, something we can transform into a tool for personal and professional growth.</p><p>They explore the five types of perfectionists—Classic, Intense, Parisian, Messy, and Procrastinator—and how understanding your type can unlock self-awareness, resilience, and healthier relationships. Katherine reveals how perfectionism intersects with belonging, self-worth, and the universal need to matter, as well as why it can be both a motivator and a barrier in our pursuit of fulfillment.</p><p>Full shownotes can be found here: <a href="https://passionstruck.com/katherine-morgan-schafler-on-perfectionism/" target="_blank">https://passionstruck.com/katherine-morgan-schafler-on-perfectionism/</a></p><p><strong>Key takeaways:</strong></p><ul> <li>1. The Three Dimensions of a Good Life</li> <li>2. How Novelty and Exploration Lead to Fulfillment</li> <li>3. The Global Village Paradox and Social Media's Impact</li> <li>4. Happiness vs. Meaning vs. Psychological Richness</li> <li>5. Why Regret Comes from Inaction</li> <li>6. The Role of Negative Emotions in a Rich Life</li> <li>7. How to Cultivate Psychological Richness</li> </ul><p>Connect with Katherine Morgan Schafler: <a href="https://www.katherinemorganschafler.com/" target="_blank">https://www.katherinemorganschafler.com/</a></p><p>Sponsors:</p><ul> <li>Rosetta Stone: Unlock 25 languages for life at <a href="https://www.rosettastone.com/passionstruck" target="_blank">“ROSETTASTONE.com/passionstruck</a>.”</li> <li>Prolon: Reset your health with 15% off at <a href="https://prolonlife.com/passionstruck" target="_blank">“ProlonLife.com/passionstruck</a>.”</li> <li>Mint Mobile: Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at “<a href="https://mintmobile.com/passion" target="_blank">MINT MOBILE dot com slash PASSION.</a>”</li> <li>Hims: Start your journey to regrowing hair with Hims. Visit <a href="https://www.hims.com/passionstruck" target="_blank">hims.com/PASSIONSTRUCK</a> for your free online visit.</li> <li>Quince: Discover luxury at affordable prices with Quince. Enjoy free shipping and 365-day returns at <a href="https://www.quince.com/passion" target="_blank">quince.com/PASSION</a> </li> </ul><p><strong>Next on Passion Struck:</strong><br>In the next episode of <i>Passion Struck</i>, John sits down with Katherine Morgan Schaffler, a renowned psychotherapist and author of The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control, a Path to Peace and Power. Katherine challenges the conventional view of perfectionism, suggesting that it can be harnessed as a personal superpower rather than a flaw. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that could transform your relationship with perfectionism.</p><p>For more information on advertisers and promo codes, visit <a href="https://passionstruck.com/deals/" target="_blank">Passion Struck Deals</a>.</p><p>Join the Passion Struck Community! Sign up for the Live Intentionally newsletter, where I share exclusive content, actionable advice, and insights to help you ignite your purpose and live your most intentional life. Get access to practical exercises, inspiring stories, and tools designed to help you grow. <a href="https://passionstruck.com/" target="_blank">Learn more and sign up here.</a></p><p>Speaking Engagements & Workshops Are you looking to inspire your team, organization, or audience to take intentional action in their lives and careers? I’m available for keynote speaking, workshops, and leadership training on topics such as intentional living, resilience, leadership, and personal growth. Let’s work together to create transformational change. Learn more at <a href="https://dashboard.simplecast.com/accounts/85feb7a6-7f1a-4066-9a1d-a29e70386613/shows/5ceb52e3-6ac2-4698-82cb-ce8214a5be04/episodes/7fb53d43-2b1f-477f-be72-4ba5ea97e3e3/#" target="_blank">johnrmiles.com/speaking</a>.</p><p>Episode Starter Packs With over 500 episodes, it can be overwhelming to know where to start. We’ve curated Episode Starter Packs based on key themes like leadership, mental health, and personal growth, making it easier for you to dive into the topics you care about. 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Show Notes
Have you ever felt that your pursuit of excellence leaves you more stressed than satisfied? What if perfectionism isn't a flaw to be fixed but a strength to be harnessed?
In episode 572, John sits down with Katherine Morgan Schafler, psychotherapist, speaker, and author of The Perfectionist's Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power. Katherine's groundbreaking approach challenges everything we think we know about perfectionism, showing us that it isn't something we need to eliminate—but rather, something we can transform into a tool for personal and professional growth.
They explore the five types of perfectionists—Classic, Intense, Parisian, Messy, and Procrastinator—and how understanding your type can unlock self-awareness, resilience, and healthier relationships. Katherine reveals how perfectionism intersects with belonging, self-worth, and the universal need to matter, as well as why it can be both a motivator and a barrier in our pursuit of fulfillment.
Key Takeaways
- The Three Dimensions of a Good Life
- How Novelty and Exploration Lead to Fulfillment
- The Global Village Paradox and Social Media's Impact
- Happiness vs. Meaning vs. Psychological Richness
- Why Regret Comes from Inaction
- The Role of Negative Emotions in a Rich Life
- How to Cultivate Psychological Richness
Connect with Katherine Morgan Schafler
Full Show Notes
Raw Description
<p>Have you ever felt that your pursuit of excellence leaves you more stressed than satisfied? What if perfectionism isn’t a flaw to be fixed but a strength to be harnessed?</p><p>In episode 572, John sits down with <strong>Katherine Morgan Schafler</strong>, psychotherapist, speaker, and author of <i>The Perfectionist’s Guide to Losing Control: A Path to Peace and Power.</i> Katherine’s groundbreaking approach challenges everything we think we know about perfectionism, showing us that it isn’t something we need to eliminate—but rather, something we can transform into a tool for personal and professional growth.</p><p>They explore the five types of perfectionists—Classic, Intense, Parisian, Messy, and Procrastinator—and how understanding your type can unlock self-awareness, resilience, and healthier relationships. Katherine reveals how perfectionism intersects with belonging, self-worth, and the universal need to matter, as well as why it can be both a motivator and a barrier in our pursuit of fulfillment.</p><p>Full shownotes can be found here: <a href="https://passionstruck.com/katherine-morgan-schafler-on-perfectionism/" target="_blank">https://passionstruck.com/katherine-morgan-schafler-on-perfectionism/</a></p><p><strong>Key takeaways:</strong></p><ul> <li>1. The Three Dimensions of a Good Life</li> <li>2. How Novelty and Exploration Lead to Fulfillment</li> <li>3. The Global Village Paradox and Social Media's Impact</li> <li>4. Happiness vs. Meaning vs. Psychological Richness</li> <li>5. Why Regret Comes from Inaction</li> <li>6. The Role of Negative Emotions in a Rich Life</li> <li>7. How to Cultivate Psychological Richness</li> </ul><p>Connect with Katherine Morgan Schafler: <a href="https://www.katherinemorganschafler.com/" target="_blank">https://www.katherinemorganschafler.com/</a></p><p>Sponsors:</p><ul> <li>Rosetta Stone: Unlock 25 languages for life at <a href="https://www.rosettastone.com/passionstruck" target="_blank">“ROSETTASTONE.com/passionstruck</a>.”</li> <li>Prolon: Reset your health with 15% off at <a href="https://prolonlife.com/passionstruck" target="_blank">“ProlonLife.com/passionstruck</a>.”</li> <li>Mint Mobile: Cut your wireless bill to 15 bucks a month at “<a href="https://mintmobile.com/passion" target="_blank">MINT MOBILE dot com slash PASSION.</a>”</li> <li>Hims: Start your journey to regrowing hair with Hims. Visit <a href="https://www.hims.com/passionstruck" target="_blank">hims.com/PASSIONSTRUCK</a> for your free online visit.</li> <li>Quince: Discover luxury at affordable prices with Quince. Enjoy free shipping and 365-day returns at <a href="https://www.quince.com/passion" target="_blank">quince.com/PASSION</a> </li> </ul><p><strong>Next on Passion Struck:</strong><br>In the next episode of <i>Passion Struck</i>, John sits down with Katherine Morgan Schaffler, a renowned psychotherapist and author of The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control, a Path to Peace and Power. Katherine challenges the conventional view of perfectionism, suggesting that it can be harnessed as a personal superpower rather than a flaw. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that could transform your relationship with perfectionism.</p><p>For more information on advertisers and promo codes, visit <a href="https://passionstruck.com/deals/" target="_blank">Passion Struck Deals</a>.</p><p>Join the Passion Struck Community! Sign up for the Live Intentionally newsletter, where I share exclusive content, actionable advice, and insights to help you ignite your purpose and live your most intentional life. Get access to practical exercises, inspiring stories, and tools designed to help you grow. <a href="https://passionstruck.com/" target="_blank">Learn more and sign up here.</a></p><p>Speaking Engagements & Workshops Are you looking to inspire your team, organization, or audience to take intentional action in their lives and careers? I’m available for keynote speaking, workshops, and leadership training on topics such as intentional living, resilience, leadership, and personal growth. Let’s work together to create transformational change. Learn more at <a href="https://dashboard.simplecast.com/accounts/85feb7a6-7f1a-4066-9a1d-a29e70386613/shows/5ceb52e3-6ac2-4698-82cb-ce8214a5be04/episodes/7fb53d43-2b1f-477f-be72-4ba5ea97e3e3/#" target="_blank">johnrmiles.com/speaking</a>.</p><p>Episode Starter Packs With over 500 episodes, it can be overwhelming to know where to start. We’ve curated Episode Starter Packs based on key themes like leadership, mental health, and personal growth, making it easier for you to dive into the topics you care about. Check them out at <a href="https://dashboard.simplecast.com/accounts/85feb7a6-7f1a-4066-9a1d-a29e70386613/shows/5ceb52e3-6ac2-4698-82cb-ce8214a5be04/episodes/7fb53d43-2b1f-477f-be72-4ba5ea97e3e3/#" target="_blank">passionstruck.com/starterpacks</a>.</p><p>Catch More of Passion Struck:</p><ul> <li><a href="https://passionstruck.com/stop-chasing-perfection/" target="_blank">My solo episode on Why You Need to Stop Chasing Perfection in Your Life</a></li> <li><a href="https://passionstruck.com/jason-omara-finding-strength-in-setbacks/" target="_blank">My episode with Homaira Kabir on How You Overcome the Tyranny of Perfection</a></li> <li><a href="https://passionstruck.com/arthur-brooks-4-ways-to-build-the-life-you-want/" target="_blank">Can't miss my episode with Thomas Curran on Breaking Free From the Perfection Trap</a></li> <li><a href="https://passionstruck.com/eduardo-briceno-the-performance-paradox/" target="_blank">Catch my interview with Eduardo Briceño on Break Free from the Performance Paradox</a></li> <li><a href="https://passionstruck.com/why-hustle-culture-is-toxic-john-miles/?swcfpc=1" target="_blank">Listen to my solo episode on Why Hustle Culture Is Toxic (And How to Break Free From It)</a></li> </ul><p>If you liked the show, please leave us a review—it only takes a moment and helps us reach more people! Don’t forget to include your Twitter or Instagram handle so we can thank you personally.</p><p>How to Connect with John:</p><p>Connect with John on Twitter at @John_RMiles and on Instagram at @John_R_Miles. Subscribe to our main YouTube Channel <a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/JohnRMiles" target="_blank">here</a> and to our YouTube Clips Channel <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@passionstruckclips" target="_blank">here</a>. For more insights and resources, visit <a href="https://johnrmiles.com/" target="_blank">John’s website</a>.</p><p>Want to explore where you stand on the path to becoming Passion Struck? Take our 20-question quiz on <a href="https://passionstruck.com/" target="_blank">Passionstruck.com</a> and find out today!</p><p>See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.</p>
