BS Disclaimers, Invisible Armies, and the Importance of the Words We Choose
The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Brené and Adam discuss the power — and peril — of the words we choose. They dive into two Machiavellian communication tools that often do more harm than good: the "Invisible Army" and "BS Disclaimers". Brené explains why leading with “we” or “but” often comes across as requesting permission to escape accountability, which ultimately sacrifices trust more than anything. Adam explores how these tools can sometimes serve as survival strategies in toxic cultures, leading to a conversation on psychological safety, groupthink, and why precision of language is more important than ever — especially in a world that still judges based on gender and identity.
You can find The Curiosity Shop on YouTube and Instagram (@thecuriosityshop).
Armored Versus Daring Leadership, Part 2 of 2 - Brené Brown, 2021, Dare to Lead (Podcast)
Plur1bus - Gilligan et al., 2025 - Present, Sony Pictures; Apple TV+ (TV series)
What Makes a 360-Degree Review Successful? -
Zenger and Folkman, 2020, Harvard Business Review
Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve - Fragale, 2024, Doubleday
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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<p>Brené and Adam discuss the power — and peril — of the words we choose. They dive into two Machiavellian communication tools that often do more harm than good: the "Invisible Army" and "BS Disclaimers". Brené explains why leading with “we” or “but” often comes across as requesting permission to escape accountability, which ultimately sacrifices trust more than anything. Adam explores how these tools can sometimes serve as survival strategies in toxic cultures, leading to a conversation on psychological safety, groupthink, and why precision of language is more important than ever — especially in a world that still judges based on gender and identity.</p> <p><br></p> <p>You can find The Curiosity Shop on <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/@TheCuriosityShop?sub_confirmation=1__;!!IBzWLUs!RWqxtWpgX9qIU0K15Jk0Nrnx-YKMF7Os5xTWxu7a9mkwDxjxHvdtnlwWDkohXXB5WP5oJJJlosKZ9PkHdN2fEiwkC4kTFsRe6vA$"><u>YouTube</u></a> and <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/thecuriosityshop__;!!IBzWLUs!RWqxtWpgX9qIU0K15Jk0Nrnx-YKMF7Os5xTWxu7a9mkwDxjxHvdtnlwWDkohXXB5WP5oJJJlosKZ9PkHdN2fEiwkC4kTGyawp5c$"><u>Instagram</u></a> (@thecuriosityshop).</p> <p><br></p> <p>0:00 - Introduction</p> <p>1:10 - The Invisible Army</p> <p>15:23 - Speaking Up and Pluribus</p> <p>21:26 - ‘But’ or Escaping Accountability?</p> <p>40:59 - Responsibility Versus Accountability</p> <p>46:22 - Judgment Based on Gender and Identity </p> <p>1:01:55 - Takeaways From Today’s Episode <br></p> <p><a href="https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-armored-versus-daring-leadership-part-2-of-2/"><em>Armored Versus Daring Leadership, Part 2 of 2</em><u> - Brené Brown, 2021, Dare to Lead (Podcast)</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/211386766_Getting_credit_for_proactive_behavior_Supervisor_reactions_depend_on_what_you_value_and_how_you_feel"><em>Getting credit for proactive behavior: Supervisor reactions depend on what you value and how you feel - </em><u>Grant et al., 2009, Personnel Psychology</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/pluribus/umc.cmc.37axgovs2yozlyh3c2cmwzlza"><em>Plur1bus -</em><u> Gilligan et al., 2025 - Present, Sony Pictures; Apple TV+ (TV series)</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://leeds-faculty.colorado.edu/dahe7472/Smither%20performance.pdf"><em>Does Performance Improve Following Multisource Feedback? A Theoretical Model, Meta-Analysis, and Review of Empirical Findings - </em><u>Smither et al., 2005, Personnel Psychology</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274753349_Feedback_effectiveness_Can_360-degree_appraisals_be_improved"><em>Feedback effectiveness: Can 360-degree appraisals be improved? - </em><u>DeNisi et al., 2000, Academy of Management Perspectives</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://hbr.org/2020/12/what-makes-a-360-degree-review-successful"><em>What Makes a 360-Degree Review Successful? -</em></a></p> <p><a href="https://hbr.org/2020/12/what-makes-a-360-degree-review-successful"><u>Zenger and Folkman, 2020, Harvard Business Review</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://x.com/ziobrando/status/289635060758507521"><em>The bullshit asymmetry [sic]: the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger -</em><u> Brandolini, A., 2013, Twitter</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://alisonfragale.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/AlisonFragale_PowerofPowerlessSpeach.pdf"><em>The power of powerless speech: The effects of speech style and task interdependence on status conferral - </em><u>Fragale, 2006, Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://scispace.com/pdf/how-can-women-escape-the-compensation-negotiation-dilemma-45crtyc15z.pdf"><em>How Can Women Escape the Compensation Negotiation Dilemma? Relational Accounts Are One Answer - </em><u>Bowles et al., 2013, Psychology of Women Quarterly</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712677/likeable-badass-by-alison-fragale-phd/"><em>Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve - </em><u>Fragale, 2024, Doubleday</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://brenebrown.com/book/strong-ground/"><em>Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit - </em><u>Brené Brown, 2025, Random House</u></a><br></p><p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p>
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Brené and Adam discuss the power — and peril — of the words we choose. They dive into two Machiavellian communication tools that often do more harm than good: the "Invisible Army" and "BS Disclaimers". Brené explains why leading with “we” or “but” often comes across as requesting permission to escape accountability, which ultimately sacrifices trust more than anything. Adam explores how these tools can sometimes serve as survival strategies in toxic cultures, leading to a conversation on psychological safety, groupthink, and why precision of language is more important than ever — especially in a world that still judges based on gender and identity.
You can find The Curiosity Shop on YouTube and Instagram (@thecuriosityshop).
Armored Versus Daring Leadership, Part 2 of 2 - Brené Brown, 2021, Dare to Lead (Podcast)
Plur1bus - Gilligan et al., 2025 - Present, Sony Pictures; Apple TV+ (TV series)
What Makes a 360-Degree Review Successful? -
Zenger and Folkman, 2020, Harvard Business Review
Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve - Fragale, 2024, Doubleday
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Raw Description
<p>Brené and Adam discuss the power — and peril — of the words we choose. They dive into two Machiavellian communication tools that often do more harm than good: the "Invisible Army" and "BS Disclaimers". Brené explains why leading with “we” or “but” often comes across as requesting permission to escape accountability, which ultimately sacrifices trust more than anything. Adam explores how these tools can sometimes serve as survival strategies in toxic cultures, leading to a conversation on psychological safety, groupthink, and why precision of language is more important than ever — especially in a world that still judges based on gender and identity.</p> <p><br></p> <p>You can find The Curiosity Shop on <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/@TheCuriosityShop?sub_confirmation=1__;!!IBzWLUs!RWqxtWpgX9qIU0K15Jk0Nrnx-YKMF7Os5xTWxu7a9mkwDxjxHvdtnlwWDkohXXB5WP5oJJJlosKZ9PkHdN2fEiwkC4kTFsRe6vA$"><u>YouTube</u></a> and <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/thecuriosityshop__;!!IBzWLUs!RWqxtWpgX9qIU0K15Jk0Nrnx-YKMF7Os5xTWxu7a9mkwDxjxHvdtnlwWDkohXXB5WP5oJJJlosKZ9PkHdN2fEiwkC4kTGyawp5c$"><u>Instagram</u></a> (@thecuriosityshop).</p> <p><br></p> <p>0:00 - Introduction</p> <p>1:10 - The Invisible Army</p> <p>15:23 - Speaking Up and Pluribus</p> <p>21:26 - ‘But’ or Escaping Accountability?</p> <p>40:59 - Responsibility Versus Accountability</p> <p>46:22 - Judgment Based on Gender and Identity </p> <p>1:01:55 - Takeaways From Today’s Episode <br></p> <p><a href="https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-armored-versus-daring-leadership-part-2-of-2/"><em>Armored Versus Daring Leadership, Part 2 of 2</em><u> - Brené Brown, 2021, Dare to Lead (Podcast)</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/211386766_Getting_credit_for_proactive_behavior_Supervisor_reactions_depend_on_what_you_value_and_how_you_feel"><em>Getting credit for proactive behavior: Supervisor reactions depend on what you value and how you feel - </em><u>Grant et al., 2009, Personnel Psychology</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/pluribus/umc.cmc.37axgovs2yozlyh3c2cmwzlza"><em>Plur1bus -</em><u> Gilligan et al., 2025 - Present, Sony Pictures; Apple TV+ (TV series)</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://leeds-faculty.colorado.edu/dahe7472/Smither%20performance.pdf"><em>Does Performance Improve Following Multisource Feedback? A Theoretical Model, Meta-Analysis, and Review of Empirical Findings - </em><u>Smither et al., 2005, Personnel Psychology</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274753349_Feedback_effectiveness_Can_360-degree_appraisals_be_improved"><em>Feedback effectiveness: Can 360-degree appraisals be improved? - </em><u>DeNisi et al., 2000, Academy of Management Perspectives</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://hbr.org/2020/12/what-makes-a-360-degree-review-successful"><em>What Makes a 360-Degree Review Successful? -</em></a></p> <p><a href="https://hbr.org/2020/12/what-makes-a-360-degree-review-successful"><u>Zenger and Folkman, 2020, Harvard Business Review</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://x.com/ziobrando/status/289635060758507521"><em>The bullshit asymmetry [sic]: the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger -</em><u> Brandolini, A., 2013, Twitter</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://alisonfragale.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/AlisonFragale_PowerofPowerlessSpeach.pdf"><em>The power of powerless speech: The effects of speech style and task interdependence on status conferral - </em><u>Fragale, 2006, Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://scispace.com/pdf/how-can-women-escape-the-compensation-negotiation-dilemma-45crtyc15z.pdf"><em>How Can Women Escape the Compensation Negotiation Dilemma? Relational Accounts Are One Answer - </em><u>Bowles et al., 2013, Psychology of Women Quarterly</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/712677/likeable-badass-by-alison-fragale-phd/"><em>Likeable Badass: How Women Get the Success They Deserve - </em><u>Fragale, 2024, Doubleday</u></a></p> <p><a href="https://brenebrown.com/book/strong-ground/"><em>Strong Ground: The Lessons of Daring Leadership, the Tenacity of Paradox, and the Wisdom of the Human Spirit - </em><u>Brené Brown, 2025, Random House</u></a><br></p><p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p>